(08-19-2021, 07:39 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: There are two versions of LM to Dallas...Trade Match and TPE.  Trade Match could be done already even if it included Moses because of the Chicago TPE allowing it to be done on a non-aggregated basis (unless you believe LM wants more than 3/$44).  A straight TPE single team trade with Chicago-only could similarly be done already.

There is a TPE version that involves getting Dragic and LM with the outgoing salary matching Dragic and being split between Tor/Chi.  If Moses is needed for matching outgoing salary, then the deal has to wait.

One of Powell or Maxi has to be outgoing in any scenario (outgoing big).

The other mix and match options are WCS/Moses/Green/Terry/Burke.  I agree Chicago needs more size and we have too much of it (especially if LM is added).  There have been plenty of trade ideas posted that solve that issue.

(08-19-2021, 07:54 AM)Kammrath Wrote: What's your thought on the NBA investigation possibly holding some things up?

It just feels to me like CHI might not want to make any deals until they know their penalty. At least if I were them I sure wouldn't move a muscle until I know what the deck I am working with looks like.

(08-19-2021, 08:18 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'll reserve the right to be wrong, but I don't think it is a factor.

The question then becomes "what then" is the hold-up.  I might argue it is the Moses/Oct 1st thing, but that doesn't make sense either.  They could easily announce a deal now that is effective 10/1 and end the mystery and let people do their apartment shopping.  But, they haven't, so that's not the right answer either.

(08-19-2021, 08:18 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'll reserve the right to be wrong, but I don't think it is a factor.

The question then becomes "what then" is the hold-up.  I might argue it is the Moses/Oct 1st thing, but that doesn't make sense either.  They could easily announce a deal now that is effective 10/1 and end the mystery and let people do their apartment shopping.  But, they haven't, so that's not the right answer either.

(08-19-2021, 09:13 AM)omahen Wrote: There are three parties in this negotiations. Lauri, Mavs and Chicago. There are many possible variations where is the hold up. It may be Lauri salary demands, it may be Chicago asset demands, there may be more teams in play competing with each other and doing their separate negotiations. Good thing for us is that keeping Lauri cap hold is essentially blocking Chicago to sign other guys before October 1st when he has to be either traded or he signs a QO. This could be a driver pushing Chicago to reduce their demands. 

To capologists - if Lauri doesn't sign his QO after October 1st he remains RFA. But, does Chicago also have his cap hold this way, until the situation is resolved?

(08-19-2021, 07:39 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: There are two versions of LM to Dallas...Trade Match and TPE.  Trade Match could be done already even if it included Moses because of the Chicago TPE allowing it to be done on a non-aggregated basis (unless you believe LM wants more than 3/$44).  A straight TPE single team trade with Chicago-only could similarly be done already.

There is a TPE version that involves getting Dragic and LM with the outgoing salary matching Dragic and being split between Tor/Chi.  If Moses is needed for matching outgoing salary, then the deal has to wait.

One of Powell or Maxi has to be outgoing in any scenario (outgoing big).

The other mix and match options are WCS/Moses/Green/Terry/Burke.  I agree Chicago needs more size and we have too much of it (especially if LM is added).  There have been plenty of trade ideas posted that solve that issue.

(08-19-2021, 08:18 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'll reserve the right to be wrong, but I don't think it is a factor.

The question then becomes "what then" is the hold-up.  I might argue it is the Moses/Oct 1st thing, but that doesn't make sense either.  They could easily announce a deal now that is effective 10/1 and end the mystery and let people do their apartment shopping.  But, they haven't, so that's not the right answer either.

(08-22-2021, 07:45 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/1429565521733816324

(08-23-2021, 12:41 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1429860015658184706

(08-23-2021, 09:30 PM)embellisher Wrote: Wow... I'm glad our relationship with KP isn't this broken.

(08-23-2021, 10:10 PM)Tyler Wrote: As much as fans have talked about KP's fit in Dallas, both KP and the team have said nothing but glowing things about one another. Dallas even defended him for his playoff showing and KP talked about accepting his role. KP has been visibly working hard this summer, and Kidd went out of his way to visit him in Europe to get on the same page. Sure, both sides have some work to do to get him where he needs to be. But the relationship is there.

(08-23-2021, 10:10 PM)Tyler Wrote: As much as fans have talked about KP's fit in Dallas, both KP and the team have said nothing but glowing things about one another. Dallas even defended him for his playoff showing and KP talked about accepting his role. KP has been visibly working hard this summer, and Kidd went out of his way to visit him in Europe to get on the same page. Sure, both sides have some work to do to get him where he needs to be. But the relationship is there.

In contrast, after Simmons's abysmal playoff showing both Rivers and Embiid directly threw him under the bus. Simmons became a meme and nobody backed him up. Morey then very vocally set out to trade him even though he clearly wasn't making serious offers, to the point where teams started leaking just how stupid Philly's demands are. Morey now seems intent on holding Simmons hostage until Lillard is available, which may never even happen. To say the relationship is broken really doesn't do it justice.