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RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - dynamicalVoid - 12-31-2021
Question for all of you spreading the anti-player empowerment propaganda(its so symbolic...youre so precious)
Isnt what Simmons is doing the right way to force a trade if there is such a thing? Kevin Love is a piece of trash for refusing to take a pay cut to be moved and for quitting and faking injuries while not sacraficing a dime.
I know that Ben was faking injuries at first...and I know that he may not want to be getting the fines and only paying because he is forced to...but isnt this kind of a fair way to force a trade after you signed a contract?
Ben signed a contract and then is forcing a trade. Doesnt seem fair. And players have gotten away with it without much financial penalties in the past. Ben seems to taking the financial penalties as if it is fair.
Couldnt he be faking injuries and what not to protect his money but isnt?
Am I wrong?
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - SleepingHero - 12-31-2021
(12-31-2021, 12:11 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: Couldnt he be faking injuries and what not to protect his money but isnt?
He is faking injuries to protect his money. The reason why his money isn't being protected is because Rich Paul is supremely bad at faking these injuries.
He first said that his back was sore. Then when doctors couldn't find anything physically wrong, they said it was mental health issues. Philly was initially receptive and only started resuming fining him when he refused to speak to a team approved mental health specialist.
Make no mistake Ben Simmons is an absolute prima donna and it's a shame that he's allowed to stranglehold his team.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - dynamicalVoid - 12-31-2021
(12-31-2021, 12:18 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: He is faking injuries to protect his money. The reason why his money isn't being protected is because Rich Paul is supremely bad at faking these injuries.
He first said that his back was sore. Then when doctors couldn't find anything physically wrong, they said it was mental health issues. Philly was initially receptive and only started resuming fining him when he refused to speak to a team approved mental health specialist.
Make no mistake Ben Simmons is an absolute prima donna and it's a shame that he's allowed to stranglehold his team.
You seem to know more about it than me...
If true...then he is stealing from Philly.
Any possibility his name is in the dog house and to squelch any further bad publicity he is just accepting the fines instead of faking injury?
I get it...there are millions of dollars at steak here and very few people would just take the fines if they could prevent it.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - SleepingHero - 12-31-2021
(12-31-2021, 12:39 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: You seem to know more about it than me...
If true...then he is stealing from Philly.
Any possibility his name is in the dog house and to squelch any further bad publicity he is just accepting the fines instead of faking injury?
I get it...there are millions of dollars at steak here and very few people would just take the fines if they could prevent it.
It's possible Morey told Rich Paul to just go away and accept the fines if you want to be traded this year. This whole fiasco is a bad look. I hope it gets addressed in the next CBA. I'm tired of players forcing their way out.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - BackToSquareOne - 12-31-2021
(12-31-2021, 11:36 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: https://twitter.com/therealmikekb/status/1476781152472084491
I had no idea Simmons has been accruing so much in fines this year. Makes Philly's hand even less advantageous in trade discussions....added to Philly less than inspired play this year too.
Perhaps not the best day to be taking shots at Philly's play. fwiw they are 16-8 when Embiid plays (iirc 3-8? when he's out).
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - dynamicalVoid - 12-31-2021
I must add...if Love was lied to than I have no problem with what he is doing to the Cavs
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - Dahlsim - 01-02-2022
(12-31-2021, 12:18 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: He is faking injuries to protect his money. The reason why his money isn't being protected is because Rich Paul is supremely bad at faking these injuries.
He first said that his back was sore. Then when doctors couldn't find anything physically wrong, they said it was mental health issues. Philly was initially receptive and only started resuming fining him when he refused to speak to a team approved mental health specialist.
Make no mistake Ben Simmons is an absolute prima donna and it's a shame that he's allowed to stranglehold his team.
It's actually pretty odd because there much easier ways to lie and protect his paycheck. If Ben Simmons played for game or 2 and faked back soreness or any sort of hard to disprove physical pain, it would be very hard for the Sixers to avoid paying him.
Add to the intrigue of the story Ben Simmons impending nuptials. Maybe he's better enough to fall in love and get married but not yet to play basketball? Maybe a 25 yr old young man is growing up.
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1477319104570839046
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - aguiar95 - 01-02-2022
Most Philly fans on reagm are happy with a Tobias for Thimothy/Maxi deal. What are your thoughts? His deal is a massive negative, but he's by far the best player and could help us moving forward. Gives us more minutes for Doncic and KP/DFS could get the back-up 4 minutes if needed.
Doncic (35)
Harris (33)
Finney-Smith(31)
Porzingis (31)
Brunson (29)
Bullock (26)
Powell (25)
Ntilikina (15)
Green (15)
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - Kammrath - 01-02-2022
(01-02-2022, 07:11 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: Tobias for Thimothy/Maxi deal
Definitely a deal I would make. Mostly because the Mavs need some shake up on their roster.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - sterlingmallory - 01-02-2022
(01-02-2022, 07:11 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: Most Philly fans on reagm are happy with a Tobias for Thimothy/Maxi deal. What are your thoughts? His deal is a massive negative, but he's by far the best player and could help us moving forward. Gives us more minutes for Doncic and KP/DFS could get the back-up 4 minutes if needed.
Doncic (35)
Harris (33)
Finney-Smith(31)
Porzingis (31)
Brunson (29)
Bullock (26)
Powell (25)
Ntilikina (15)
Green (15)
This is a really interesting idea. Harris' contract is horrendous but it expires a year earlier than THJ's and would come off the books at the same time as KP's. Harris is the type of long, athletic wing that could really help us. It basically allows you to go all in on a Luka/Porzingis/Brunson/Harris core for 2 years and if it doesn't work then you can blow it up in 2024 with almost a completely clean slate.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - mvossman - 01-02-2022
(01-02-2022, 07:28 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: This is a really interesting idea. Harris' contract is horrendous but it expires a year earlier than THJ's and would come off the books at the same time as KP's. Harris is the type of long, athletic wing that could really help us. It basically allows you to go all in on a Luka/Porzingis/Brunson/Harris core for 2 years and if it doesn't work then you can blow it up in 2024 with almost a completely clean slate.
I would much rather send out Bullock than Maxi. Harris is shooting under 30% from 3 and making 36 mil. That contract is terrible. But I would probably pull the trigger either way. Harris makes way more sense on this team than THJ, and we need a change.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - dynamicalVoid - 01-04-2022
Toby 29 doe
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - Jym - 01-05-2022
I'm surprised to see how much the Philly fans are turning against Tobias
Guess a bit of an easy target with that contract and Philly's championship window being slammed shut so abruptly
Tempting to add him, but it'd be a bit scary to have so much money committed into KP/Tobias while still lacking that go-to badass who can takeover a playoff game when Luka is being smothered
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - Halfnir - 01-05-2022
Harris for Hardaway looks interesting. Both in a shooting slump this season, but Harris is a true forward, while Hardaway is a SG/SF hybrid. Huge contract that should alone almost pay for the quality difference in defense (esp. since Timmy is on a declining salary).
But i'd not include Maxi,he's too valuable for the team imo. Bullock i would do, although this leaves a bit of a hole at SG again, Powell would work as well (maybe my favorite outgoing of the three).
Getting Tobias would either push DSF to the bench (might not be the best idea in his contract year if we want to keep him) or KP to center (old discussion). Starting Brunson/Luka/Tobias/Powell or Maxi/KP and closing the game with Brunson/Luka/DSF/Tobias/KP might be a way and could keep Brunson/DSF interested in resigning. Money would be even tighter in 22/23 offseason with over 5m added salary (Hardaway salary going down, Harris up), so while we could keep Brunson/DSF via bird rights, replacements would be hard to get if they leave in free agency. And a big tax bill would be incoming if you keep both.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - Kammrath - 01-05-2022
(01-05-2022, 11:06 AM)Halfnir Wrote: Harris for Hardaway looks interesting. Both in a shooting slump this season, but Harris is a true forward, while Hardaway is a SG/SF hybrid. Huge contract that should alone almost pay for the quality difference in defense (esp. since Timmy is on a declining salary).
But i'd not include Maxi,he's too valuable for the team imo. Bullock i would do, although this leaves a bit of a hole at SG again, Powell would work as well (maybe my favorite outgoing of the three).
Yeah Harris for THJ/DP would be great for the Mavs. Mavs have a log jam at guard, and so breaking that up and freeing minutes for FN and JG would be great and then giving DFS some support in the forward ranks would be huge.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - Kammrath - 01-05-2022
https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/1478771120484630531
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - omahen - 01-05-2022
Interesting piece with some thoughts about player trade cost:
- Smart: Wright, Dieng, at least 1 FRP
- Grant or Barnes: Reddish, Gallo, FRP
- D.White: Reddish, FRP
- RoCo: Wright, Cabarot, 2 SRP
Hawks trade targets deep dive: What do Travis Schlenk’s comments tell us? How well do Ben Simmons or Myles Turner fit? – The Athletic
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - Tyler - 01-05-2022
(01-05-2022, 12:20 PM)omahen Wrote: Grant or Barnes: Reddish, Gallo, FRP
It's kinda funny how including Barnes on the same level as Grant makes me a lot less interested in Grant.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - Tyler - 01-05-2022
What world is Amick living in? The Lakers looking to ditch Westbrook has gotta be the most public "covert" effort of all time.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265330/Lakers-Covertly-Explored-Trade-Of-Russell-Westbrook
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: Simmons out for mental health | Ayton "very unhappy" in PHX - Jmaciscool - 01-05-2022
(01-05-2022, 01:15 PM)Tyler Wrote: What world is Amick living in? The Lakers looking to ditch Westbrook has gotta be the most public "covert" effort of all time.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265330/Lakers-Covertly-Explored-Trade-Of-Russell-Westbrook
I originally felt that contract was pretty untradeable when he signed it, and outside of him being traded to the Rockets, the Wizards, and then the Lakers, I've been proven right. So I think the Lakers are stuck with him.