+- MavsBoard (https://www.mavsboard.com)
+-- Forum: Boards (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=1)
+--- Forum: Dallas Mavericks and the NBA (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=2)
+--- Thread: Trade & FA 2023-24: Sexton On the Market? | ORL Likes Hartenstein? (/showthread.php?tid=2444)
Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
197
198
199
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
214
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
228
229
230
231
232
233
234
235
236
237
238
239
240
241
242
243
244
245
246
247
248
249
250
251
252
253
254
255
256
257
258
259
260
261
262
263
264
265
266
267
268
269
270
271
272
273
274
275
276
277
278
279
280
281
282
283
284
285
286
287
288
289
290
291
292
293
294
295
296
297
298
299
300
301
302
303
304
305
306
307
308
309
310
311
312
313
314
315
316
317
318
319
320
321
322
323
324
325
326
327
328
329
330
331
332
333
334
335
336
337
338
339
340
341
342
343
344
345
346
347
348
349
350
351
352
353
354
355
356
357
358
359
360
361
362
363
364
365
366
367
368
369
370
371
372
373
374
375
376
377
378
379
380
381
382
383
384
385
386
387
388
389
390
391
392
393
394
395
396
397
398
399
400
401
402
403
404
405
406
407
408
409
410
411
412
413
414
415
416
417
418
419
420
421
422
423
424
425
426
427
428
429
430
431
432
433
434
435
436
437
438
439
440
441
442
443
444
445
446
447
448
449
450
451
452
453
454
455
456
457
458
459
460
461
462
463
464
465
466
467
468
469
470
471
472
473
474
475
476
477
478
479
480
481
482
483
484
485
486
487
488
489
490
491
492
493
494
495
496
497
498
499
500
501
502
503
504
505
506
507
508
509
510
511
512
513
514
515
516
517
518
519
520
521
522
523
524
525
526
527
528
529
530
531
532
533
534
535
536
537
538
539
540
541
542
543
544
545
546
547
548
549
550
551
552
553
554
555
556
557
558
559
560
561
562
563
564
565
566
567
568
569
570
571
572
573
574
575
576
577
578
579
580
581
582
583
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Jazz to Shop Collins - BolsDamols - 05-28-2024
(05-27-2024, 08:54 PM)Smitty Wrote: Interesting tidbit. Mavs are 26-5 with this starting lineup. Good for a 69 win pace. If they do nothing at all I feel good about the team next year. Hardy taking over the THJ role and Omax getting some burn when Maxi is out will be just fine with me.
Nice!
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Jazz to Shop Collins - Chicagojk - 05-28-2024
I would really like DFS back. I just don't see it happening. I would not use a future first for him and I have to believe some team would. Especially if it was a pick in this draft. Dallas may just need to be patient there. It may be two years or so before we get a shot. On the other hand by then, we may be in a much better spot and may not have playing time for him.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Jazz to Shop Collins - dirkfansince1998 - 05-28-2024
(05-28-2024, 08:36 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I would really like DFS back. I just don't see it happening. I would not use a future first for him and I have to believe some team would. Especially if it was a pick in this draft. Dallas may just need to be patient there. It may be two years or so before we get a shot. On the other hand by then, we may be in a much better spot and may not have playing time for him.
+1. Let him play out his contract or maybe hope for a buyout in a year. I think his next contract is going to be in the BAE/minimum range. If he is still has something left in the tank he can finish his career in Dallas.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Jazz to Shop Collins - mvossman - 05-28-2024
(05-27-2024, 10:07 PM)F Gump Wrote: I think DFS would be a very useful contributor, a significant upgrade from THJ on both ends of the floor. (There are others I like too, and I don't see any of them as likely starters, but rather strong rotation contributors.)
It takes something to get something.
I see value in having a pick each year. It would be hard to find minutes to develop more than 1 new player in a season, with this roster. Mavs have 2 picks in 2025 and none in 2026, and 2026 BKN 2nd may be early in rd 2.
While 2025 should be a better draft class than 2024, it's not considered especially special or deep past the top 10. So far. But it's too early to know what it will look like when it's about to happen - kids can develop, but can also regress from expectations.
I would rather have a pick than not, but don't think a pick in the mid-20s is necessarily one to be hoarded.
The time to improve is now, when on the cusp of title(s), rather than wait for a low pick to develop, if you have a choice at solid talent.
If you have a better idea, share it. Do you want to keep THJ around for another year?
I would rather have DJJ on this team at the full MLE than DFS at his current contract, so I think the DJJ situation is a higher priority. I feel like losing DJJ while sending out draft capital for an aging player (like DFS or Bogdan) is heading in the wrong direction.
While I agree that signing DJJ to 1 + 1 tax MLE would be ideal, there is a very good chance that does not get it done. At that point we have to shed some significant cap to retain him. Assuming Dorian has any trade value at all, it should be at least as expensive to trade Timmy for him as would be to simply dump Timmy. In the case where we need to make room for DJJ, I would rather do that then trade for DFS.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Jazz to Shop Collins - F Gump - 05-28-2024
Well, yeah. DJJ should definitely be priority 1. These ideas are all in the context of "if you can sign DJJ using TxMLE, then what do you do next?"
Your statement that dumping THJ (presumably for air) and THJ-for-DFS are similarly expensive is actually part of the equation in my thinking. It's gotta be better to get usable talent in the process of moving off of THJ, right?
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Jazz to Shop Collins - mvossman - 05-28-2024
(05-28-2024, 11:06 AM)F Gump Wrote: Well, yeah. DJJ should definitely be priority 1. These ideas are all in the context of "if you can sign DJJ using TxMLE, then what do you do next?"
Your statement that dumping THJ (presumably for air) and THJ-for-DFS are similarly expensive is actually part of the equation in my thinking. It's gotta be better to get usable talent in the process of moving off of THJ, right?
I guess I have not thought too much about that scenario because I am finding it increasingly unlikely that we will be able to get DJJ at tax MLE as we continue through the playoffs. If we do manage to do that, there is probably a strong argument for waiting until the TDL to trade Timmy as his expiring will be more valuable at that point. That would also give us a chance to see more of Hardy, Green and Omax and see what position we need to target. One exception I would make is if we can get Grimes (who is distressed) for Timmy + 25 I would pull that trigger now.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Hawks to Shop Hunter - SleepingHero - 05-28-2024
Evan Sidery (@esidery)
Rival teams are expecting the Hawks to shop De’Andre Hunter on the trade market, per @MikeAScotto (https://hoopshype.com/lists/aggregate-2024-nba-mock-draft-post-combine-intel-bronny-james-to-lakers/).
Hunter, who is owed $69.9 million over the next three years, averaged 15.6 points while shooting 38.5% on threes.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Hawks to Shop Hunter - HAguiar95 - 05-28-2024
(05-28-2024, 12:53 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Evan Sidery (@esidery)
Rival teams are expecting the Hawks to shop De’Andre Hunter on the trade market, per @MikeAScotto (https://hoopshype.com/lists/aggregate-2024-nba-mock-draft-post-combine-intel-bronny-james-to-lakers/).
Hunter, who is owed $69.9 million over the next three years, averaged 15.6 points while shooting 38.5% on threes.
THJ/Green/Powell + '25 DAL 1st?
Love his game, much like PJ, his situation was not the best. Good defender, all-around game (jumper/slasher) to add to our youth.
Jason Terry - Jason Terry - 05-28-2024
(05-27-2024, 02:39 PM)F Gump Wrote: My Summer PlanI like it.
1 Sign DJJ using TxMLE 1+1
2 Trade THJ (plus 2025 1st, lottery protected) for DFS (plus 2026 2nd)
3 Complete roster by keeping Morris and Lawson
Easy peazy
Perfect would be THJ plus Hardy for Dorian, no picks. Hardy is dramatically increasing his value in these playoffs(protected FRP value?). He will be a bad deal once Klutch gets him paid following next season. Brooklyn would value the low cap number for a young guard for next season (fits with their roster needs). Mavs keep their 2025 stashed. Replace the Hardy roster spot with Dinwiddie for the minimum
DJJ for cheap is the most unrealistic part of this plan IMO
Morris is the right type of vet to keep around. Doesn’t clown around like Theo. Lawson is a more complete player than Hardy IMO
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Hawks to Shop Hunter - omahen - 05-28-2024
(05-28-2024, 01:22 PM)HAguiar95 Wrote: THJ/Green/Powell + '25 DAL 1st?
Love his game, much like PJ, his situation was not the best. Good defender, all-around game (jumper/slasher) to add to our youth.
Problem is, how do you play him? Do you trust he is able to replace DJJ in the starting line-up? Will it make sense to have his contract on the bench as he is also not a 6th man type?
RE: Jason Terry - omahen - 05-28-2024
(05-28-2024, 01:26 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: I like it.
Perfect would be THJ plus Hardy for Dorian, no picks. Hardy is dramatically increasing his value in these playoffs(protected FRP value?). He will be a bad deal once Klutch gets him paid following next season. Brooklyn would value the low cap number for a young guard for next season (fits with their roster needs). Mavs keep their 2025 stashed. Replace the Hardy roster spot with Dinwiddie for the minimum
DJJ for cheap is the most unrealistic part of this plan IMO
Morris is the right type of vet to keep around. Doesn’t clown around like Theo. Lawson is a more complete player than Hardy IMO
BKN has a much better version of Hardy already - Cam Thomas.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Hawks to Shop Hunter - mvossman - 05-28-2024
(05-28-2024, 01:22 PM)HAguiar95 Wrote: THJ/Green/Powell + '25 DAL 1st?
Love his game, much like PJ, his situation was not the best. Good defender, all-around game (jumper/slasher) to add to our youth.
Is he a good defender? I don't see a lot of evidence for that. And Atlanta has been in the playoffs in most of his seasons. Not really comparable to PJ. I think PJ has been used a lot lately to expect players to come in and be way better defensively than what they were elsewhere. I don't think that happens all that often. PJ was a fairly rare case. Not excited about bringing in someone and expecting a PJ like jump in defense.
Also, A trade like that means no chance of clearing cap space if we need it (I think we will) to retain DJJ.
RE: Jason Terry - mvossman - 05-28-2024
(05-28-2024, 01:26 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: I like it.
Perfect would be THJ plus Hardy for Dorian, no picks. Hardy is dramatically increasing his value in these playoffs(protected FRP value?). He will be a bad deal once Klutch gets him paid following next season. Brooklyn would value the low cap number for a young guard for next season (fits with their roster needs). Mavs keep their 2025 stashed. Replace the Hardy roster spot with Dinwiddie for the minimum
DJJ for cheap is the most unrealistic part of this plan IMO
Morris is the right type of vet to keep around. Doesn’t clown around like Theo. Lawson is a more complete player than Hardy IMO
I'm not sure Hardy's 6 min 3 points per playoff game is enough to get him in first round territory value (even protected), especially since other teams recognize the potential future cost concern. Also think there are some hard feeling with Din, which is why he chose LA over us. Maybe it was just about playing time and he sees an opening with Timmy and Hardy gone, but I wouldn't count on it.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Hawks to Shop Hunter - SleepingHero - 05-28-2024
NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral)
Sam Presti admits that he lost the Gordon Hayward trade
"I missed on that. That's on me. But I'm learning. Trying to learn this team... Just trying to be a great observer of this team as it's going through its paces... I don't think I read that one perfect."
@TheDunkCentral
Gordon Hayward's wife is not happy
![[Image: 1795576832923926812_0.jpg?ex=6657a6db&is...eight=1514]](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/784811934146232352/1245136099660271616/1795576832923926812_0.jpg?ex=6657a6db&is=6656555b&hm=0894ef173563cfe7e5a1d7a28b6f94f63edb3660a78d1114bd3d29eb6ed90f89&=&format=webp&width=1210&height=1514)
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Hawks to Shop Hunter - From Dirk to Luka - 05-29-2024
(05-28-2024, 05:13 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral)
Sam Presti admits that he lost the Gordon Hayward trade
"I missed on that. That's on me. But I'm learning. Trying to learn this team... Just trying to be a great observer of this team as it's going through its paces... I don't think I read that one perfect."
@TheDunkCentral
Gordon Hayward's wife is not happy
She's stuck in OKC...of course she's not happy.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Hawks to Shop Hunter - surfpuckmd - 05-29-2024
(05-28-2024, 12:53 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Evan Sidery (@esidery)
Rival teams are expecting the Hawks to shop De’Andre Hunter on the trade market, per @MikeAScotto (https://hoopshype.com/lists/aggregate-2024-nba-mock-draft-post-combine-intel-bronny-james-to-lakers/).
Hunter, who is owed $69.9 million over the next three years, averaged 15.6 points while shooting 38.5% on threes.
He's not very good and not worth his contract. His measurements suggest he should be an excellent defensive wing. He's not. He makes poor decisions and is a net negative on the defensive end. He's ok on offense and can definitely space the floor.
DJJ is a better player than De'Andre Hunter. We should stick with him.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Hawks to Shop Hunter - surfpuckmd - 05-29-2024
(05-28-2024, 05:13 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral)
Sam Presti admits that he lost the Gordon Hayward trade
"I missed on that. That's on me. But I'm learning. Trying to learn this team... Just trying to be a great observer of this team as it's going through its paces... I don't think I read that one perfect."
@TheDunkCentral
Gordon Hayward's wife is not happy
Daigneault gave Hayward some minutes and they were hoping he'd earn some of Giddy's minutes.
Unfortunately, Hayward played terribly for the Thunder. They quickly realized they already had 12 players on their roster better than Gordon Hayward.
Maybe he was just recovering from injury but he was bad. I bet he wishes his wife would not submit her opinions to the world.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Hawks to Shop Hunter - SleepingHero - 05-30-2024
NBACentral
@TheDunkCentral
The Lakers are open to discussing deals centered around Jarred Vanderbilt, per
@jovanbuha
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Hawks to Shop Hunter - Chicagojk - 05-30-2024
(05-29-2024, 11:10 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: Daigneault gave Hayward some minutes and they were hoping he'd earn some of Giddy's minutes.
Unfortunately, Hayward played terribly for the Thunder. They quickly realized they already had 12 players on their roster better than Gordon Hayward.
Maybe he was just recovering from injury but he was bad. I bet he wishes his wife would not submit her opinions to the world.
I really liked listening to some of Presti's end of the season press conference a few days ago. I like him.
Hayward didn't work out and he never fit in. I think he still has something left. Not sure if we have the spot open or if he is someone we would be interested in, but I think he can still help a team as a 7th-9th man off the bench.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: PHX Wants Lebron+Bronny| Hawks to Shop Hunter - Chicagojk - 05-30-2024
(05-30-2024, 01:10 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: NBACentral
@TheDunkCentral
The Lakers are open to discussing deals centered around Jarred Vanderbilt, per
@jovanbuha
LOL. So they are open to Vanderbilt deals. Wow.