(05-27-2024, 08:31 PM)windjc Wrote: KillerLeft

“I didn’t make it up, you defined it right there, quite nicely!

You sure have popped up and aggressively poked everybody in the eye a ton this past week. Where were you all season, my guy? I’m starting to think you’re just around to pick fights. 

Where were you even in the first round? You weren’t calling everyone stupid then.”

I didn’t call you stupid. I said you made some shiznet up as if it matters in someway and it doesn’t because it’s made up.
Dallas is contending as is. If they keep the roster as is they will by definition be contenders next year. They don’t need to add anyone to achieve that.

(05-27-2024, 02:39 PM)F Gump Wrote: My Summer Plan

1 Sign DJJ using TxMLE 1+1
2 Trade THJ (plus 2025 1st, lottery protected) for DFS (plus 2026 2nd)
3 Complete roster by keeping Morris and Lawson

Easy peazy

(05-27-2024, 09:12 PM)Luka77 Wrote: I love DFS but giving up a first and second for a role player and bench player is a tremendous over pay.  Something like two seconds, like the nets got for Royce O'Neal, is more like his value. 

(05-27-2024, 09:31 PM)F Gump Wrote: Read again. That's not the proposed idea.

(05-27-2024, 09:37 PM)Luka77 Wrote: Why are the Mavs offering a first when they have second round picks?  This is more of the Mavs giving away their picks and not valuing the draft like they have done in past.

25' is suppose to be a strong draft.  I see no reason to trade it for DFS, a bench player.

(05-27-2024, 08:31 PM)windjc Wrote: KillerLeft

“I didn’t make it up, you defined it right there, quite nicely!

You sure have popped up and aggressively poked everybody in the eye a ton this past week. Where were you all season, my guy? I’m starting to think you’re just around to pick fights. 

Where were you even in the first round? You weren’t calling everyone stupid then.”

I didn’t call you stupid. I said you made some shiznet up as if it matters in someway and it doesn’t because it’s made up.
Dallas is contending as is. If they keep the roster as is they will by definition be contenders next year. They don’t need to add anyone to achieve that.

(05-27-2024, 10:02 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Love me some DFS but at this point of his career he isn't worth his contract and has little trade value. 31 years old. Solid defender with league average 3-point shooting. Wouldn't give up more than 1-2 2nd round picks for him. Nets should be happy to get out of his contract.

(05-27-2024, 10:02 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Wouldn't give up more than 1-2 2nd round picks for DFS. Nets should be happy to get out of his contract.

(05-27-2024, 04:01 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I like Dorian, but this probably isn't my favorite THJ/25 trade.  I get that DFS is the rumor of the day and you are simply responding to that.  But, I doubt he starts in front of either of our defensive minded starting wings.  He also blocks the development of OMax as a future Maxi replacement.  OMax needs to get "the Hardy treatment" minutes in the second quarter each game next season.  I personally don't think Dorian's position is necessary should we retain DJJ.

Give me the same plan as you've outlined, but insert the Atlanta Bogdanovic instead.  I'd play him as sixth man.  I'd like a little more offense when either Luka or Kyrie are sitting.  He's great off the ball and good on the ball.  He fits well in a bench lineup with Green, Maxi and Lively (or Gafford).  Hardy and Exum and OMax fight for scraps at the 10th-12th men in the rotation.  BTW, I get that I just did the same thing to Hardy that I'm trying to avoid with OMax (block his path with a player who plays the same position).  I can certainly see the argument that Hardy needs to eventually become more entrenched in the lineup too.  But, I think what BB does is more needed here than what DFS does (but not so much that it is a hill I want to die on).

This conversation about turning THJ/25 into Dorian (or BB) kind of points to the issue I have with trades that just give away THJ (or worse, pay for him to go away).  There is going to be value to a functional veteran on a mid-sized expiring contract combined with a first.  I really hate the idea of giving away that kind of potential path to improvement.  The team had regular season success with Green starting (19-14) and most of that was during the parts of the season we didn't have PJ and Gafford.  Kyrie was also missing for a ton of those Green starts.  If I can use THJ/25 to improve another area enough (like Dorian or Bogdanovic) without hardcapping myself, I'd probably be OK with wishing DJJ the best of luck in his new home.  Jason Timpf mentioned in his video that DJJ is playing like someone who should get a $15mm contract this summer.  Capology isn't his thing, but it only takes one team to agree and he's out of reach anyway.

(05-27-2024, 10:15 PM)F Gump Wrote: Again, I think the proposed price is being misconstrued. Send out a 1st with lots of protection, that presumably should land in the mid 20s, and get back a 2nd in return that should be in the mid-30s. 

In total, only giving up about 10 draft slots, I'm guessing, in order to turn the THJ carcass into a useful player who really fits what the Mavs are doing.

There's a better, more suitable player available for that price?

(05-27-2024, 10:15 PM)F Gump Wrote: Again, I think the proposed price is being misconstrued. Send out a 1st with lots of protection, that presumably should land in the mid 20s, and get back a 2nd in return that should be in the mid-30s. 

In total, only giving up about 10 draft slots, I'm guessing, in order to turn the THJ carcass into a useful player who really fits what the Mavs are doing.

There's a better, more suitable player available for that price?

(05-27-2024, 10:23 PM)mvossman Wrote: I would greatly prefer for that pick to go for a younger player, but Bogdan is a really good fit.

(05-27-2024, 10:27 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think that dude would look about as good as Josh Green here. 

I think Jaden Hardy is about to have the ball in his hands a lot next season, and I think he's ready. I'm with Gump. Give me more long, defense who can shoot off the catch. If they can find someone younger/better/cheaper than DFS, I'm all for it, don't get me wrong.

(05-27-2024, 10:07 PM)F Gump Wrote: I think DFS would be a very useful contributor, a significant upgrade from THJ on both ends of the floor. (There are others I like too, and I don't see any of them as likely starters, but rather strong rotation contributors.)

It takes something to get something.

I see value in having a pick each year. It would be hard to find minutes to develop more than 1 new player in a season, with this roster. Mavs have 2 picks in 2025 and none in 2026, and 2026 BKN 2nd may be early in rd 2.

While 2025 should be a better draft class than 2024, it's not considered especially special or deep past the top 10. So far. But it's too early to know what it will look like when it's about to happen - kids can develop, but can also regress from expectations.

I would rather have a pick than not, but don't think a pick in the mid-20s is necessarily one to be hoarded.

The time to improve is now, when on the cusp of title(s), rather than wait for a low pick to develop, if you have a choice at solid talent.

If you have a better idea, share it. Do you want to keep THJ around for another year?

(05-27-2024, 10:46 PM)mvossman Wrote: Wow, we are on different pages regarding Bogdan.  I think he is a significantly better offensive player than Green.  If nothing else, he will not have a problem pulling the trigger.  I'm not a true believer in Hardy yet.  Getting 10 minutes of run in a couple of playoff games without crapping the bed is nice, but we could really use a legit 6th man, and I am skeptical Hardy will be ready to play that role next season (if ever).

(05-27-2024, 10:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Different pages about Hardy then, too. I think he’s almost there.

(05-27-2024, 10:23 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Just really don't like his contract. One of our main concerns in recent discussions is the 2nd apron. An issue that isn't going away in the future. I would prefer a trade that saves more salary. Would prefer to have a little more flexability next summer. Resign Hardy/Exum? Maybe get in position to use the full MLE. In my opinion all of that is more important than whatever DFS can give the Mavs at this point of his career.