(05-24-2024, 01:46 PM)chaparral Wrote: OK, if the plane to keep DJJ involves trading Green and Hardaway in separate deals, I would like us to get back Caruso from CHI.

How do we make that happen?

(05-24-2024, 02:08 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Chicago wanted at minimum 2 FRP for Caruso at the TDL. 

I don't think he's worth that. Chicago is going to try and retain DeRozan too, so it's not like they're trying to bottom out, despite it making the most sense for them to do.

(05-24-2024, 01:59 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: One thing that's finally starting to be worth discussing, relative to guys like Caruso:

It's starting to be possible that guys at that stage of their careers might WANT to play here. I know that doesn't mean their teams will just hand them over, but I do think the player/agent's outlook on what's possible for them plays a bigger part in the transaction periods of each season than what is publicly discussed.

(05-24-2024, 03:37 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Which leads to another question:

How does Dallas keep payroll low enough that they can sign a premium stretch-waived or released veteran?

(05-24-2024, 03:44 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think the days of them "signing" anyone over the MLE are over, at least as long as Luka, Kyrie and Lively are in place. I haven't checked the contract lengths lately, so it's possible they've planned for some cap room the summer Luka's current deal ends, sort of like what Miami did with Dwayne Wade. 

But, I think we'll start to see them get more of the exception guys they want, and more of the veteran minimum guys they want, and I think Kyrie is a big part of that.

In my earlier point, I just meant that I don't think teams trade for players who don't want to play for them much anymore, especially north of a certain status level. In league circles, they don't even call them "trades" they call them "transfers" like the whole thing is a corporation and the dudes are just relocating from being a shift lead at the Salt Lake City Staples to be a store manager at the Charlotte Staples, lol. I think the player's wishes are taken into account much more than we realize.

Quote:The Knicks, like Boston when the Celtics struck the White deal, were barely over .500. Despite their hoarding extra first-rounders, an average New York team trading its own pick for a shaky-shooting role player seemed to some rival observers as overexuberant.

Hart, like White, was 27 at the time of the trade. He instantly became a defining Knick. New York was confident it could re-sign Hart on a long-term deal; Hart had told Portland the Knicks were his preferred destination, and the Blazers worked to send Hart there -- never opening trade talks to the entire league, sources said.

(05-24-2024, 10:31 PM)myconsumerclub Wrote: so what do we got to do to get Jokic when he wants to come play in Dallas with Luka and Kyrie

(05-24-2024, 01:15 PM)Knutsen Wrote: Then you would have to add Kuzma I guess. Read yesterday that the Wizards want to trade him this summer. Maybe he likes us now after we proved him wrong that we’re too far away of really competing…

(05-24-2024, 03:12 PM)omahen Wrote: Thanks to Dan and Forrest for the TE info. Although, it didn't really bring me any ideas. It is very unlikely that Atlanta will use the TPE. BKN has more room, but can't take THJ before next season as it would put them over the first apron. I would love to trade THJ and 2025 for a pick in 2024, but BKN has zero picks this year. Not really enthusiastic about their role players. I guess those MLE available opens more options for the new season.

(05-25-2024, 08:43 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Our 2025 and THJ for their #32 feels like something Utah would do.  The future first is more valuable to them than a third pick in this draft and THJ can be a placeholder for that space until the TDL or later depending on what happens with LM.  Dallas gets another 2nd rounder (possibly at a reduced rate, though at that level in the 2nd they often use part of the MLE to sign a second).  You also move all of THJ’s salary (unless you try to do a trade or S&T for someone like Kris Dunn to use some of that space).  

The deal would have to be held over to July 1st just like they did last year with OKC.  There may be other similar possibilities, but that was the only one I had time to look at.

(05-25-2024, 03:00 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: How many would have said it was an impossibility to dump Bertans last summer(with more than one year left)? Well, we did it with ease. THJ is no issue 

(05-25-2024, 05:46 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Evan Sidery (@esidery)
The Jazz are expected to shop John Collins in trade talks this offseason.

Collins averaged 15.1 points and 8.5 rebounds while shooting 37.1% on threes.

The 26-year-old forward has two years remaining on his deal, which includes a player option, making $26.6 million annually.

(05-25-2024, 05:53 PM)Jym Wrote: Remember when we thought Collins at center would be a good idea?

(05-25-2024, 08:43 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Great minds….

I looked at Tankathon the other day for just such a deal.  Utah is an obvious candidate that I came across first and then I ran out of time to keep looking (I was traveling in Norway…I have a newfound admiration for you guys who post and watch games on a European timeline.  3 hours in the middle of the night to watch a game is a bitch).

Our 2025 and THJ for their #32 feels like something Utah would do.  The future first is more valuable to them than a third pick in this draft and THJ can be a placeholder for that space until the TDL or later depending on what happens with LM.  Dallas gets another 2nd rounder (possibly at a reduced rate, though at that level in the 2nd they often use part of the MLE to sign a second).  You also move all of THJ’s salary (unless you try to do a trade or S&T for someone like Kris Dunn to use some of that space).  

The deal would have to be held over to July 1st just like they did last year with OKC.  There may be other similar possibilities, but that was the only one I had time to look at.

(05-25-2024, 05:53 PM)Jym Wrote: Remember when we thought Collins at center would be a good idea?

(05-26-2024, 04:07 AM)omahen Wrote: Utah also has #29. Mavs can't trade 2025 pick on draft night unless they get 2024 FRP back. If they don't get the 2024 FRP, they could agree behind closed door that the team is drafting for Mavs and then actually trade the rookie in July. But I don't think these kind of moves ever happen.

Edit: are you sure that OKC deal with Bertans wasn't finalized until July? Because that would also mean, that on draft night, Sacramento was sending Holmes into TE that was not there yet until July. What if the OKC-Mavs deal would go sour for whatever reason? If teams are ok doing such deals, that opens up a lot of possibilities