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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - mvossman - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 09:50 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Was just about to post the on/off stat. He was 22 that one season when he was positive. It is kind of shocking considering how good he’s been over the years at WS and VORP. Yep, if we could somehow get Lonzo and keep Brunson, that would be a good reason to operate under the cap. Then we have our quality 3&D replacement for JRich who can also distribute. Brunson retains the 6th man role and can finish with the starters providing some additional offensive creation. Potentially you have enough left over to either retain THJ or at least enough to outbid MLE for a second guy (maybe a McDermott to replace THJ or a Theis to shore up the big rotation). I'm a little more leery of THT. He is DFS on steroids. Like DFS he is going to need to develop his 3 point shot in order to be a legit starter (especially on this team). If he gets there, he would be awesome. But that is an expensive gamble. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 04-11-2021 So another option I like would be a Terrence Ross trade. I think you could start him or bring him off the bench and he's been a good 2-way player for his career. Magic are in rebuild mode so I bet you could get him for cheap (JR trade maybe?) and then be able to keep THJ as well. Ross' contract number is such that I think he is easy to move if you want to flip him for something else. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - ClutchDirk - 04-11-2021 https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-victor-oladipo-increasingly-unlikely-to-receive-anything-near-maximum-deal-this-offseason/ RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - mvossman - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 10:12 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I am willing to see what this looks like in the playoffs. I just worry ab relying on any of these guys to hit important shots in a tough playoff game. I trust Luka of course and I can live with KP. After that it's hard to depend on Maxi, Rich, DFS for a lot of offense. Yeah, I want to see what this team looks like for the rest of the season and in the playoffs as well. That will be a big driver for assessing what we currently have. I also share your concern with Maxi, Rich, DFS hitting big shots. It is part of the reason why I like the current experiment of Brunson closing games. Ellis is a good comp for DR as a player, but not in fit with their teams. Ellis was not a perfect fit, but he had the ball a lot, using Dirks gravity to give him room. He was not playing with a super high usage point guard. I think his fit with Luka would be much worse than his fit with Dirk. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - mvossman - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 04:17 AM)omahen Wrote: I don't think it is that simple, you have to take a bit longer outlook. Let's assume this team as they currently are, is not at contender level and they need a talent upgrade. Let's assume the ceiling of this team is relatively low. This means you will have to upgrade at some point and there are basically two ways to do it. FA (in 2021) or trades from there on. I will neglect draft as a serious option as our picks are relatively rare and most likely won't be very high to count on serious talent upgrade this way. Realistically best we can hope for are rotation players. If we determine the ceiling is low on the current team, the goal would be to collect the most assets we can this off season. The question is which route is better to take, over the cap (trades) or under the cap (FA). Over the cap generally has an advantage because you can spend more money. Wading into FA (which has never been this organizations strength) with the intention of improving the ceiling with less money is a difficult thing to do. It is also risky, especially if you plan on making an RFA offer sheet. There is a significant danger of ending with less assets. The reality is, quality NBA players are assets, even on moderately overpriced contracts. Those contracts are also good for salary matching in later trades once we actually have some firsts to trade. I'm not saying we should not explore the FA route, just that it will be difficult to improve status quo plus MLE, and if our ceiling is low, asset acquisition should be the focus. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - SleepingHero - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 10:23 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-victor-oladipo-increasingly-unlikely-to-receive-anything-near-maximum-deal-this-offseason/ Just saying I would much rather have Dipo than JRich and if they both are going to cost around the same money then the Mavs should be ALL in on trying to get him. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - omahen - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 11:16 AM)mvossman Wrote: If we determine the ceiling is low on the current team, the goal would be to collect the most assets we can this off season. The question is which route is better to take, over the cap (trades) or under the cap (FA). Over the cap generally has an advantage because you can spend more money. Wading into FA (which has never been this organizations strength) with the intention of improving the ceiling with less money is a difficult thing to do. It is also risky, especially if you plan on making an RFA offer sheet. There is a significant danger of ending with less assets. The reality is, quality NBA players are assets, even on moderately overpriced contracts. Those contracts are also good for salary matching in later trades once we actually have some firsts to trade. I'm not saying we should not explore the FA route, just that it will be difficult to improve status quo plus MLE, and if our ceiling is low, asset acquisition should be the focus. By low ceiling it doesn't mean we are Minnesota. Mavs are obviously good. But can they contend as currently constructed? Playoffs will tell, if hopefully we have everone healthy. If not, they don't need to go to a rebuild. They should just go for player with higher ceiling (like Ball, Collins). If there is a chance, they should take it, as it is much easier to add role players later. If Mavs FA plan is to blindly offer a contract to RFA and hope their team doesn't match, GM should be fired on spot I would assume there would be a ton of discussions prior to FA with agent, team, player. If Mavs lose JRich and THJ because they offered a contract to RFA and the team matches, GM should also be fired on spot. There is no excuse in this offseason, Mavs absolutely have to nail it. Finally, even if you move away from JRich or THJ you can still operate over the cap. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - Mavs03 - 04-11-2021 Yeah...maybe I'm falling for his potential. I can't believe he's only 20. The defensive ability appears to be there. I don't think Josh Green will be at this level. (04-11-2021, 09:53 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: @"cow" ...another victim! RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 11:33 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Just saying I would much rather have Dipo than JRich and if they both are going to cost around the same money then the Mavs should be ALL in on trying to get him. Dipo on a 1 yr prove it deal is interesting. Heat might get Lowry. I also like Dragic if he is let loose with Lowry headed to Heat. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - Hypermav - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 11:53 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Dragic if he is let loose with Lowry headed to Heat. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - ClutchDirk - 04-11-2021 A Luka Dragic pairing has proven to be successful before... RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - omahen - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 11:53 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Dipo on a 1 yr prove it deal is interesting. Heat might get Lowry. I also like Dragic if he is let loose with Lowry headed to Heat. Dipo will not sign a prove it deal with Dallas... If he falls that low, he will sign it with one of the contenders. (04-11-2021, 12:02 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: A Luka Dragic pairing has proven to be successful before... I think Dragic loves it in Miami RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 12:33 PM)omahen Wrote: Dipo will not sign a prove it deal with Dallas... If he falls that low, he will sign it with one of the contenders. I am sure he does but if Miami gets Lowry they need his cap space. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 12:33 PM)omahen Wrote: Dipo will not sign a prove it deal with Dallas... If he falls that low, he will sign it with one of the contenders. So I don't mean like a vet min. Dallas could get him a higher dollar 1 yr deal and show him their track record with improving player values. I think you would try to get a TO for that second year in case he does catches fire. He turned down 2/45. You could get him like 2/50 where the second year is a TO. If he is mediocre then he basically acts as an expiring contract. As it stands Dipo will lose face for turning down that extension. He can save face with a deal that looks higher than the one he turned down. Anyways it's hard to predict. He is injured again but should be able to regain some value with a good playoff run. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - dirkfansince1998 - 04-11-2021 "Best ability is availibility" Games missed this season: THJ: 2 Richardson: 10 (only one non COVID related) Oladipo: 19 (out right now) At this point I am out on Oladipo. Even more injury-prone than KP. Not to mention that he hasn´t been close to his best level in the last two years. THJ an JRich aren´t worldbeaters but they are more reliable and cheaper. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 01:24 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: "Best ability is availibility" Not sure THJ will be cheaper RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - Jason Terry - 04-11-2021 Assuming we continue our current trajectory and make it at least to the 2nd rd as a 4-6 seed. Also that the KP/Luka issues are fixed... Today it seems our needs are: ball handler in the regular season to ease the Luka burden, a switchable 3-4-5 who can do some of everything, veteran leadership and clutch shot making. Perfect offseason would be Dragic(MLE) and Millsap(BAE) Current starters and the new bench would be JB/Dragic/TH/Millsap/DP Miami should now be able to re-sign Oladipo for a low enough starting out salary where they can use cap space for Lowry and still keep Robinson Denver now has a loaded front court. AG, Joker, Porter, Mcgee. Green won’t play much and will probably opt in. Plus Bol Bol. Makes sense to let Millsap walk with all those 4’s. His numbers will likely take a big hit as a result as well RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - cow - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 09:53 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: @"cow" ...another victim! For everyone else, there is plenty of room on this train and you are all welcome. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 04-11-2021 Mavs always have a plan A-Z. I think it goes something like: A - Collins S&T B-G - Big names they can talk themselves into H-M - Value contracts for veterans that fit, including THJ if he's at the right price N-Z - Short deals to flip or free up space later RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace this summer - cow - 04-11-2021 Don't need A-Z when you have THT. |