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RE: Doncic Trade ? - dirkfansince1998 - 11-28-2023
When I am getting annoyed with Luka's flaws the easiest way to get over it is remembering that prior to his draft Harrison Barnes was the teams first option. Mavs without Luka are the current Wizards. When I am complaining about Luka it is more about the untapped potential.
RE: Doncic Trade ? - youzigizag - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 03:37 PM)mvossman Wrote: Except the fit doesn't work without Luka. Kyrie is not prime Kawhi and we don't have anything close to FVV.
Kyrie isnt a slouch on defense. I dont care what his stats say...ive seen him stay in front of his ball handler while also displaying above average IQ when attempting to steal the ball. Can current era players bully him down into the paint...I guess there are a few...but he isnt a zero on defense, imo.
Our problem is in the paint and rebounding...not with Kyrie's defense.
RE: Doncic Trade ? - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 11-28-2023
Luka for Javale McGee, who says no?
RE: Doncic Trade ? - Charles dexter ward - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 04:01 PM)youzigizag Wrote: Kyrie isnt a slouch on defense. I dont care what his stats say...ive seen him stay in front of his ball handler while also displaying above average IQ when attempting to steal the ball. Can current era players bully him down into the paint...I guess there are a few...but he isnt a zero on defense, imo.
Our problem is in the paint and rebounding...not with Kyrie's defense.
Kyrie doesnt defend at all .He acts like he does but he does not .Im not not a big fan of the " eye test".
RE: Doncic Trade ? - KillerLeft - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 02:19 PM)Charles dexter ward Wrote: "Midly critical posts" when you say the team is better without him its not "midly critical ".Feel free to hate but a t least admit it.
I have said nothing of the sort.
When others post on/off data that seems to indicate the team does better with Luka resting, I highly doubt they're meaning to suggest the Dallas Mavericks would be better without Luka on the roster. Maybe some of the cooks on Twitter/Reddit who are GENERAL NBA fans might feel that way, but I know of no sane contributor to this board who has indicated that they do. Luka is our favorite player as a collective, basically.
On another subject, I'm getting a "2nd account from someone with an axe to grind" vibe from your first few posts here. Is there a reason you're kicking the door in so aggressively?
RE: Doncic Trade ? - mvossman - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 04:01 PM)youzigizag Wrote: Kyrie isnt a slouch on defense. I dont care what his stats say...ive seen him stay in front of his ball handler while also displaying above average IQ when attempting to steal the ball. Can current era players bully him down into the paint...I guess there are a few...but he isnt a zero on defense, imo.
Our problem is in the paint and rebounding...not with Kyrie's defense.
I'm confused by this comment. Its in response to me saying he was not prime Kawhi. Are you suggesting his defense is in the ballpark of Kawhi? He is not a terrible defender, but he is an undersized guard who can be hunted. Our size issues are across the lineup, not just the bigs.
RE: Doncic Trade ? - youzigizag - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 04:07 PM)Charles dexter ward Wrote: Kyrie doesnt defend at all .He acts like he does but he does not .Im not not a big fan of the " eye test
Prob equal to Luka defense so its moot.
RE: Doncic Trade ? - Charles dexter ward - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 04:09 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I have said nothing of the sort.
When others post on/off data that seems to indicate the team does better with Luka resting, I highly doubt they're meaning to suggest the Dallas Mavericks would be better without Luka on the roster. Maybe some of the cooks on Twitter/Reddit who are GENERAL NBA fans might feel that way, but I know of no sane contributor to this board who has indicated that they do. Luka is our favorite player as a collective, basically.
On another subject, I'm getting a "2nd account from someone with an axe to grind" vibe from your first few posts here. Is there a reason you're kicking the door in so aggressively?
I dont get y you are so triggered .And no this my first account .Reddit mavericks is awfull and this forum looks the best out there.
"Agressively" , lol.
RE: Doncic Trade ? - KillerLeft - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 04:18 PM)Charles dexter ward Wrote: I dont get y you are so triggered .And no this my first account .Reddit mavericks is awfull and this forum looks the best out there.
"Agressively" , lol.
I'm not triggered at all, but your last reply seemed SUUUUUUUUPER triggered, to the point where I re-read my post several times to see how I might've offended you. It was a noticeably elevated level of aggression, yes.
What's up with your spacing? Are you typing from a keyboard? A phone?
RE: Doncic Trade ? - Charles dexter ward - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 04:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'm not triggered at all, but your last reply seemed SUUUUUUUUPER triggered, to the point where I re-read my post several times to see how I might've offended you. It was a noticeably elevated level of aggression, yes.
What's up with your spacing? Are you typing from a keyboard? A phone?
I dont get y you are so personnal ,its pretty weird.I wont reply to you anymore .Im just here to talk about basketball .
RE: Doncic Trade ? - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 04:27 PM)Charles dexter ward Wrote: I dont get y you are so personnal ,its pretty weird.I wont reply to you anymore .Im just here to talk about basketball .
Bud, you came here claiming that we all have some weird agenda against one of the best two players this franchise has ever had and told Killer specifically that he's a hater and he should admit it...
This is weird.
Maybe Vintage Peja at work?
RE: Doncic Trade ? - KillerLeft - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 04:27 PM)Charles dexter ward Wrote: I dont get y you are so personnal ,its pretty weird.I wont reply to you anymore .Im just here to talk about basketball .
It kind of seems like you're just here to hate on Luka, or maybe to accuse others of hating Luka. I can't tell which yet because you communicate pretty ineffectively. Either way, I'd welcome some "talk about basketball" so wake me up when you get to that part.
RE: Doncic Trade ? - youzigizag - 11-28-2023
Hard to find players to put around Luka.
Reg season Luka can be super boring to watch...over dribbling, step back heat checks, lack of defense.
Luka is near perfect in playoffs unless he is trying to conserve energy on defense...its his reg season that is frustrating.
No one wants to trade him.
RE: Doncic Trade ? - Charles dexter ward - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 04:56 PM)youzigizag Wrote: Hard to find players to put around Luka.
Reg season Luka can be super boring to watch...over dribbling, step back heat checks, lack of defense.
Luka is near perfect in playoffs unless he is trying to conserve energy on defense...its his reg season that is frustrating.
No one wants to trade him.
He looks like a smaller version of jokic . He needs to be surrounded with good versatile role players.I dont think the doncic , irving experience will work.
RE: Doncic Trade ? - youzigizag - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 05:01 PM)Charles dexter ward Wrote: He looks like a smaller version of jokic . He needs to be surrounded with good versatile role players.I dont think the doncic , irving experience will work.
Seems to be issues finding the guy players.
Its frustrating.
Aaron Gordon was the guy we needed.
RE: Doncic Trade ? - Charles dexter ward - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 05:20 PM)youzigizag Wrote: Seems to be issues finding the guy players.
Its frustrating.
Aaron Gordon was the guy we needed.
Absolutely gordon was perfect.
RE: Doncic Trade ? - mvossman - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 04:56 PM)youzigizag Wrote: Hard to find players to put around Luka.
Reg season Luka can be super boring to watch...over dribbling, step back heat checks, lack of defense.
Luka is near perfect in playoffs unless he is trying to conserve energy on defense...its his reg season that is frustrating.
No one wants to trade him.
Its really not that hard. Find 3&D guys who can ideally do a little something else. Find a rim protecting rim runner. Its not that hard to build around Luka, its just that this FO had been so bad at building period since acquiring him. So many mistakes and burned assets. This last offseason was a step in the right direction. Another offseason like that and we should be in good shape.
RE: Doncic Trade ? - RoyTarpleysGhost - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 01:43 PM)Charles dexter ward Wrote: So logically i think people here want him either benched or traded because he is apparently the root of all the mavs problems.
What package will you accept for him?
You mad bro?
RE: Doncic Trade ? - ItsGoTime - 11-29-2023
(11-28-2023, 03:15 PM)mvossman Wrote: I blame the FO more than Kidd for the rotation issue. After that WCF run our big signing is an offense only big and then mid season we trade our best defender away for an offense only guard. Until this last offseason this team has been actively getting small and worse defensively.I mean, the article was about this team, this year. He also listed 6 defenders, with 1 of them being out (Maxi). Six plus the 2 in Kyrie and Luka makes an 8 man rotation. Add in 1 from the list of “others” to play when 1 of Luka or Kyrie are sitting and that’s a 9 man rotation.
It’s similar to the rotation I proposed not too long ago.
Luka/Kyrie/Exum as the guard rotation
Green/DJJ as the SF rotation
GWill/Maxi/Lively as the bigs rotation
That’s a big IF Maxi can still be a good defender. That’s the ideal to Iztok’s article to me. With Maxi out, we CAN fit someone else in the “others” group, they just can’t be played when both Kyrie and Luka are on the floor at the same time and we have to give up size in that instance.
Tonight, things looked good with Luka/Kyrie/Green/DJJ/Lively to close the game.
All that to say, it’s at the very least as much on coaching as it is on the FO. I’d say more on coaching since Iztok showed the numbers bare it out.
RE: Doncic Trade ? - RGP1981 - 11-29-2023
I would like to see Luka Doncic join the Utah Jazz. They seem like a better fit for Luka and he would be perfect as the face of the Jazz franchise.
Danny Ainge will build a better team around Doncic than Cuban & Co ever have or ever will. Will Hardy is a nice young coach too. Luka might even focus on working out more and playing defense after joining the Jazz, like Lauri Markannen has. There is also a large Slovenian community in Utah. It's also better than Luka leaving to join the Lakers or make a super-team elsewhere.
Luka, Keyonte/Agbaji, a stud 3&D SF, Markkanen, Kessler/Hendricks... will rule the NBA.
The Mavericks get all of the Utah Jazz's picks, including the ones owed to them by the Timberwolves.