2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkanen wants out of CHI | DAL "definitely interested" - Printable Version +- MavsBoard (https://www.mavsboard.com) +-- Forum: Boards (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=1) +--- Forum: Dallas Mavericks and the NBA (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=2) +--- Thread: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkanen wants out of CHI | DAL "definitely interested" (/showthread.php?tid=1072) Pages:
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RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - Tyler - 08-10-2021 (08-10-2021, 10:09 AM)fifteenth Wrote: So, could you say that his first two years show that he could possibly be a decent Finnisher? I'm finna lose it with the Markkenen jokes. RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - haveitall - 08-10-2021 (08-10-2021, 10:12 AM)Tyler Wrote: I'm finna lose it with the Markkenen jokes. Markk my words he might be the Finnal piece. RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - fifteenth - 08-10-2021 (08-10-2021, 10:12 AM)Tyler Wrote: I'm finna lose it with the Markkenen jokes. You don't think they hit the Mark? (08-10-2021, 10:16 AM)haveitall Wrote: Markk my words he might be the Finnal piece. You finnished your joke before I did RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - Kammrath - 08-10-2021 (08-10-2021, 10:09 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Penny pincher!!! RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - haveitall - 08-10-2021 (08-10-2021, 10:07 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: My opinion on Lauri on why the Mavs should get him:Exactly buy low sell high. There are many concerns as with Porzingis, mainly BBIQ. Just watched highlights of their dual on NY and CHI and both kept shooting over double teams, and over dribbling. RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - Kammrath - 08-10-2021 (08-10-2021, 10:07 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: Specifically says he wants to be a Mav early on, that has to mean something Dragic AND Lauri both have said this. Which is kind of new for the Mavs. It will be super interesting to see if their desires win out.... RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI - ClutchDirk - 08-10-2021 (08-09-2021, 03:02 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: 2021 Summer Trade Season probably deserves it's own thread ... You should start that thread as it can stimulate some good discussion as that is the goal of this site... I wish more would take the time to start threads around here so the stigma of thread starting being frowned upon would go away...all we ask for is that the thread be appropriate for the forum section you put it in... RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - fifteenth - 08-10-2021 Is it better to be a thread starter, or a thread Finnisher? RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI - mvossman - 08-10-2021 (08-10-2021, 09:26 AM)Kammrath Wrote: RE: Markkanen I have no idea where this is coming from. The advanced stats say he is bad at defense. The scouting reports say he is bad at defense. The eye test says he is bad at defense. The fact that he got benched in Chicago for defensive limitations suggests he is bad at defense. The evidence seems overwhelming. He can't protect the rim, and he can't guard the perimeter particularly well. For a team that is already struggling with defense, has plenty of shooting, needs playmaking, and probably already has too much cap devoted to the big rotation, he does not make a lot of sense. The only reason to do this is if we can turn him into an asset, but I skeptical given suggested assets and cost. RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - Mavs2021 - 08-10-2021 (08-10-2021, 10:19 AM)Kammrath Wrote: Dragic AND Lauri both have said this. Which is kind of new for the Mavs. They are not the first to have said that. Just the first time the Mavs are seemingly listening unlike with Randle, Turner or Olynyk, when they´d rather chase Wright and re-sign Powell. Literally a new foreign concept Nico might have introduced to Cuban. It´s easier to sign FAs that actually want to be in Dallas. Markkanen, Dragic + one of Diallo or Hart would be an awesome off-season. RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI - Mavs2021 - 08-10-2021 (08-10-2021, 10:33 AM)mvossman Wrote: I have no idea where this is coming from. The advanced stats say he is bad at defense. The scouting reports say he is bad at defense. The eye test says he is bad at defense. The fact that he got benched in Chicago for defensive limitations suggests he is bad at defense. The evidence seems overwhelming. He can't protect the rim, and he can't guard the perimeter particularly well. For a team that is already struggling with defense, has plenty of shooting, needs playmaking, and probably already has too much cap devoted to the big rotation, he does not make a lot of sense. The only reason to do this is if we can turn him into an asset, but I skeptical given suggested assets and cost. Outside of Luka/DFS, the rest of the team shot 15/74 from three (20%) over the last four play-off games against the Clippers. You better be hell a great at defense, if you want to win a seven game series with the 3rd to 10th best player shooting 20% from three. We need more offensive talent, too. As we have seen with the Knicks a headcoach can make a hell of a difference for the team defense, but as the Knicks also learned in the play-offs, offensive talent matters most, and they did not have enough of it, so they added Walker/Fournier. RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - omahen - 08-10-2021 I have my doubts about both Dragic and Markkanen but they certainly fill our positions of need. They might not be perfect, but still better than nothing. I will assume Dragic will not get bought out and Markkanen wants 15 per (so doesn't fit in TPE). The one thing that would be off limits for me would be the FRP, but I wouldn't mind paying SRP and Green, as it doesn't look he will be able to get minutes anyway. I think it is easier to do it as two separate trades. I would like to keep Maxi but Powell and Reddick SnT can be movable contracts. TE could also be used. Example 1: trade 1: Powell+Burke+Terry+2 SRP for Dragic trade 2: Chi - Green and SRP, OKC: Reddick Snt and 2 SRP, Dal: Markkanen Example 2 - use TE: trade 1: Reddick+2SRP for Dragic trade 2: Dal: Lamb in TE, SRP, Ind: 0 trade 3: Dal: Markkanen, OKC: Lamb, 2 SRP, Chi: Green, SRP RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - SleepingHero - 08-10-2021 (08-10-2021, 07:30 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Do you think Markannen is worth a FRP to Chi and whatever the third team would require? Absolutely not. Those hurdles essentially make a deal for Lauri nonexistent. CHI is overplaying their hand. Essentially they're forcing Markkanen to return on his 1 year QO deal, but in doing so they won't be able to trade him next year without his permission (and any team trading for him wouldn't get his bird rights). Markkanen will undoubtedly leave the following year in FA and I'm sure he won't be a nice guy in the locker room either. Bulls are delusional if they want to make a deal surrounding Lauri. Reading that Fisher piece I'm walking away with the idea that they actually might not want to make any deal. RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - Chicagojk - 08-10-2021 Zach Lowe says the Sterling Brown deal is 2 years at 6 million fully guaranteed. RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - Kammrath - 08-10-2021 (08-10-2021, 10:33 AM)mvossman Wrote: I have no idea where this is coming from. 2020-2021... CHI D w/ LM: 109.9 CHI D w/o LM: 110.9 Net: +1.0 2019-2020... CHI D w/ LM: 107.3 CHI D w/o LM: 108.4 Net: +1.1 2018-2019... CHI D w/ LM: 112.3 CHI D w/o LM: 111.6 Net: -0.7 2017-2018... CHI D w/ LM: 110.5 CHI D w/o LM: 108.4 Net: -2.1 So his rookie season was his worst, where CHI's D was significantly better when he sat. CHI was not much better when he sat his second year. And the last two years the CHI D has actually been better when LM played. And these are solid defensive teams the last two years with CHI ranking 9th and 12th in the league defensively. And when you look at RAPTOR-D and LEBRON-D advanced stats you see LM as a middle of the pack NBA defender as well. Hence, I think I can say he is "solid" as an NBA team defender. RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - Chicagojk - 08-10-2021 https://twitter.com/massey_evan/status/1425117601143922693 RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo - 08-10-2021 From what I get when I see Lauri playing defense is he is he lacks the lateral quickness, but KP isn't any better than Lauri on the perimeter. I would even give Lauri the edge over KP with regards to defending guards and small forwards. We all know KP's biggest strength is in rim protection, even the most recent version of KP is a better rim protector than Lauri. But it's not really about KP's superior length that makes him better than LM. Lauri just doesn't even try. Maybe that can be fixed with a new team, specially if that team has Dirk on it. RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - Kammrath - 08-10-2021 RE: Markkanen's D To be clear... I am NOT suggesting he is a great defender. All I am suggesting is that in a four year sample size (which is quite big), he has NOT destroyed his team's D with his presence on the court and has helped his team at least "hold serve." This is pretty significant IMO. RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI - mvossman - 08-10-2021 (08-10-2021, 10:49 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Outside of Luka/DFS, the rest of the team shot 15/74 from three (20%) over the last four play-off games against the Clippers. You better be hell a great at defense, if you want to win a seven game series with the 3rd to 10th best player shooting 20% from three. We need more offensive talent, too. Nice cherry picking. Lets plan our long term asset moves on a 4 game sample. And ignore they shot over 50% from 3 the first three games, or that they were playing freaking Boban in a zone in the last three games daring the best three point shooting team in the league to fire. Take a look at the offensive and defensive rating during that series and tell me it was the offense that was the problem. We just replaced JRich with Bullock in the starting lineup. That should make a big difference in the shooting department And if you are expecting Kidd to turn this group of players into an elite defense, prepare to be very disappointed. RE: 2021 FREE AGENCY: Markkannen wants out of CHI | DAL interested? - fifteenth - 08-10-2021 (08-10-2021, 11:30 AM)mvossman Wrote: And if you are expecting Kidd to turn this group of players into an elite defense, prepare to be very disappointed. I sure would like for him to move the team towards good team defense |