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RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - ClutchDirk - 06-16-2021
MBT...
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGm4EoWOc5MZ16g/giphy.gif
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - ClutchDirk - 06-16-2021
(06-16-2021, 11:05 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I'm just glad someone knows Christopher Cross other than me!
I actually currently have "Sailing" as my ringtone. Love that song!
Both plus ride like the wind are on my playlist...
But Arthur is my fave of the 3...
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - ItsGoTime - 06-16-2021
(06-16-2021, 11:10 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: Both plus ride like the wind are on my playlist...Ride like the Wind is an alarm tone for getting up to go to work.
Sometime this summer when we have some down news days, we need to do a "What's on your playlist" thread.
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - fifteenth - 06-16-2021
(06-16-2021, 07:29 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: It also started from a Fish article. Both MBT and triangle of trust are from our fish roots.
LOL, this picture popped into my head...
![[Image: f4ca134f298daf895e5e4567830c7ed5.jpg]](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/ca/13/f4ca134f298daf895e5e4567830c7ed5.jpg)
We have fishy roots, but eventually crawled out onto the land. We're the first amphibians. Or maybe we're straight up land dwellers by this point.
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - mavsluvr - 06-16-2021
Highlights from Bill Simmons pod on Athletic article, with Jonathan Tjarks --
The podders think that this piece did not emanate from Luka. Luka doesn't need to go to the media, if he's even really that bothered about a stats guy. The Luka stuff was likely put in to get Mavs fans to care about the story -- there's this front office dysfunction, and omg, it could end up causing a rift with Luka.
Mavs have only one top-40 player on their roster. Considering the lack of talent, their season was actually pretty successful.
The deeper structural issues pointed out in the article are concerning, as they raise a question about whether the franchise is being run in a functional way. When Mark tried to bring in Gerson Rosas, Rosas was given no ability to hire and fire people, and he quit after three months over having no real authority. Usually, when teams change a GM, they clear out the front office, and the new GM brings his own guys in. When you just bring one new guy at a top level into an existing hierarchy, conflicts are probable.
On other matters, KP is not the player he used to be. His outlook is uncertain. They don't blame the Mavs for doing the trade, but the real problem now is the injury risk, considering the history of super tall guys in the NBA. Guys 7'2" and over tend to start breaking down after a few seasons, almost without exception, and KP has already had a couple of bad knee problems. If the team wants to move him on, they will need to find another team willing to take that risk. Not clear that there is a particularly good deal out there to be had.
In terms of what Luka needs to do to get better, the priorities are to get and stay in shape, play well off the ball, and learn how to lead a team, on and off the court. They think Rick may be bending to Luka too much, when someone who challenges him might be better. The Mavs' letting go of Barea might have been a more consequential move than was reported, as he was a guy Luka would listen to, at least to an extent.
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vdGhlLWJpbGwtc2ltbW9ucy1wb2RjYXN0/episode/ZTk1ZWM0N2UtODhlMC0xMWViLWFhMDMtYmI2ODA0ZjdkOGY0?hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwjp_MWAxJzxAhVRG80KHWiRDQ0QieUEegQIBhAF&ep=6
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - DallasBasketball - 06-16-2021
(06-16-2021, 08:04 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://youtu.be/WkjiroTnPFg
The nba as the culprit for the leak - entirely possible, the referee’s in game 6 looked like they were favoring the Clippers and not just by a little. At the time I thought it was just to force a game 7. But where there is smoke there is fire.
Rich Paul as the culprit of the leak - it seemed to be a day or so before the story broke that Luka in LA jersey’s started showing up in the media. WTF is that?
Donnie as the culprit - I can see it. He has the most to lose/gain and if the story is true he could have needed to do this.
Cuban as the culprit - I don’t see it. Unnecessary drama.
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - DallasBasketball - 06-16-2021
PATIENCE. Where in the world is everyone’s patience? The world is mad.
The performance of the FO the last few off seasons is over criticized. It’s too early in Luka’s career to claim Mavs FO is a failure.
#1 - Prior to Luka we had to get bad to get a shot at a star in the draft and we got that star.
#2 - In all those years of being bad we only ended up with a few quality players. Finney-Smith, Powell, Kleber, Brunson. But this is not a horrible performance, we also flipped DSJ to NY.
#3 - We have only had two off seasons since Luka joined the Mavs. What does the world expect to be accomplished in 3 seasons and 2 off-seasons?
- season 1 - trade for KP and THJ - this has not turned out as good as we hoped, but it was a great trade.
- off season 1 - We had cap space and it was time. But KP hadn’t played and Luka was under appreciated as a draw. Stupid Kemba chose the Celtics. This was not bad strategy. If you want to claim bad strategy, it was the choice not to sign other talented players and instead play plan powder. THIS is so far the only real bad strategy factor for the FO. But they salvaged by signing Finney, Kleber and Seth to good deals, as well as Wright who was not a bad player but did not work out. The problem here again wasn’t missing on Kemba or signing Wright, it was choosing dry powder over all the other alternatives.
- season 2 - it’s Luka’s first season running the team. And you have the #1 offense in the league. Is it a failure not to make a move?
- off season 2 - Free Agency was not that great. Plan powder is already in action and Giannis is on the horizon. In hindsight this is a mistake. But Monday morning quarterbacks are always right. We tried to position ourselves for a grand slam. Is this a failure? Sure. But is the game over? No! Trading Curry for Richardson and going all defense also was a bad offseason. The team did not get any better and I am willing to question the FO on this. Not just dry powder but a wasted off-season in terms of strategy.
- season 3 - a trade? Trade KP? Maybe. But his asset value was probably too low. Is trading for jj reddick mis-management? Is buying a Starbucks coffee bad finances? It’s inconsequential for the most part.
Here we are; the 3rd offseason of Luka’s career and Mavs are being hung out for 10 years of failure. This makes no sense. Where are the patience? Does no one have patience?
Dumb asset management would be to be too impatient. Now the challenge is not to do something stupid while under all this pressure.
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - fifteenth - 06-16-2021
(06-16-2021, 12:15 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: PATIENCE. Where in the world is everyone’s patience? The world is mad.
I tend to lean towards patience. So I'm with ya. I probably wouldn't start squallering until they stop improving. So far, during Luka's three years, the team has been on an upward trajectory. The quality of this team this past season is being understated at the moment because of the sting of losing yet again in the frist round, and because...that how fans go. If the roster and results don't improve next season, however, then I'll probably be squaller'n.
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - hakeemfaan - 06-16-2021
(06-16-2021, 12:15 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: PATIENCE. Where in the world is everyone’s patience? The world is mad.
The performance of the FO the last few off seasons is over criticized. It’s too early in Luka’s career to claim Mavs FO is a failure.
#1 - Prior to Luka we had to get bad to get a shot at a star in the draft and we got that star.
#2 - In all those years of being bad we only ended up with a few quality players. Finney-Smith, Powell, Kleber, Brunson. But this is not a horrible performance, we also flipped DSJ to NY.
#3 - We have only had two off seasons since Luka joined the Mavs. What does the world expect to be accomplished in 3 seasons and 2 off-seasons?
- season 1 - trade for KP and THJ - this has not turned out as good as we hoped, but it was a great trade.
- off season 1 - We had cap space and it was time. But KP hadn’t played and Luka was under appreciated as a draw. Stupid Kemba chose the Celtics. This was not bad strategy. If you want to claim bad strategy, it was the choice not to sign other talented players and instead play plan powder. THIS is so far the only real bad strategy factor for the FO. But they salvaged by signing Finney, Kleber and Seth to good deals, as well as Wright who was not a bad player but did not work out. The problem here again wasn’t missing on Kemba or signing Wright, it was choosing dry powder over all the other alternatives.
- season 2 - it’s Luka’s first season running the team. And you have the #1 offense in the league. Is it a failure not to make a move?
- off season 2 - Free Agency was not that great. Plan powder is already in action and Giannis is on the horizon. In hindsight this is a mistake. But Monday morning quarterbacks are always right. We tried to position ourselves for a grand slam. Is this a failure? Sure. But is the game over? No! Trading Curry for Richardson and going all defense also was a bad offseason. The team did not get any better and I am willing to question the FO on this. Not just dry powder but a wasted off-season in terms of strategy.
- season 3 - a trade? Trade KP? Maybe. But his asset value was probably too low. Is trading for jj reddick mis-management? Is buying a Starbucks coffee bad finances? It’s inconsequential for the most part.
Here we are; the 3rd offseason of Luka’s career and Mavs are being hung out for 10 years of failure. This makes no sense. Where are the patience? Does no one have patience?
Dumb asset management would be to be too impatient. Now the challenge is not to do something stupid while under all this pressure.
The problem is that the faith in this FO as far as evaluating talent and managing assets was low to begin with. Now to make it worse, you hear of so much dysfunction in the front office and maybe coaching decisions also influenced by some of that power struggle, that it is valid to be concerned about this franchise.
Especially when we have a guy who the moment he gets frustrated with all this, and wants out, every other team will throw their hat in the ring to get him.
This needs strong leadership from Cuban than just hoping that time will smooth things over. Unfortunately I am not sure that Cuban is capable of that.
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - fifteenth - 06-16-2021
(06-16-2021, 12:47 PM)fifteenth Wrote:Quote:DallasBasketball Wrote: PATIENCE. Where in the world is everyone’s patience? The world is mad.
I tend to lean towards patience. So I'm with ya. I probably wouldn't start squallering until they stop improving. So far, during Luka's three years, the team has been on an upward trajectory. The quality of this team this past season is being understated at the moment because of the sting of losing yet again in the frist round, and because...that how fans go. If the roster and results don't improve next season, however, then I'll probably be squaller'n.
Oh yeah, I forgot my main question...so,
Dalton? Grant? Bri? :-D
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - Scott41theMavs - 06-16-2021
(06-16-2021, 11:07 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: MBT...
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGm4EoWOc5MZ16g/giphy.gif
For me, the Mavs' "Three Stooges" will always be Wes "Tank Commander" Matthews, VAJ, and Harrison Barnes. Three guys who really thought they were something and tried to freeze Luka out of the offense. And some buffoon on the board downvoted me (we can't do that here...) whenever I used that terminology to refer to them. Why? They were complete stooges.
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - ClutchDirk - 06-16-2021
Donnie is out per Shams
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - fifteenth - 06-16-2021
(06-16-2021, 12:58 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: For me, the Mavs' "Three Stooges" will always be Wes "Tank Commander" Matthews, VAJ, and Harrison Barnes. Three guys who really thought they were something and tried to freeze Luka out of the offense. And some buffoon on the board downvoted me (we can't do that here...) whenever I used that terminology to refer to them. Why? They were complete stooges.
downvote for calling random guy a buffoon
(06-16-2021, 12:58 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: Donnie is out per Shams
![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7527pa7qs9kCG78A/giphy.gif)
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - mavsluvr - 06-16-2021
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1405222947258785797?s=20
Wow.
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - hakeemfaan - 06-16-2021
(06-16-2021, 01:02 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1405222947258785797?s=20
Wow.
What??l???
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - fifteenth - 06-16-2021
Wow
Is this the result Donnie hoped for when he leaked info to Cato?
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - mavsluvr - 06-16-2021
Mavs officially announce that Donnie is out.
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - hakeemfaan - 06-16-2021
So was Mark BSing when he said the article was BS. Rhetorical question. We all know the answer now.
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - mavsluvr - 06-16-2021
McMahon reports that the decision to part ways with Donnie was made on Sunday. That was before the article was published.
RE: The Athletic: Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM… - TXBamanut - 06-16-2021
I guess we know who the source to the story was now....