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RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - Scott41theMavs - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 09:49 AM)omahen Wrote: So you are so convinced in this plan you are willing to pay 2 FRP to dump KP if that is what it costs? And roll with Luka-Lowry-DFS-Kleber-Holmes? (let's keep Collins out of it). You are so sure this is a contender? I am not, not at all. Didn't say that about the FRPs. I am sure there is some team out there who would be willing to take on KP for cap space without them. And leaving out what we could also obtain by trading other players skews the argument, so I'm not going there. (06-17-2021, 09:54 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: a) What makes you can just call 1-800-DIFFERENCE-MAKER and order a couple of them out of a catalog just because you have the cap space for them? This sounds like 2021's version of Plan Power to me. You speak as if THJ can create his own shot. He's a jump shooter with minor drive-to-the-basket abilities. That isn't worth $20 mil per in any basketball league. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - ItsGoTime - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 12:52 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Didn't say that about the FRPs. I am sure there is some team out there who would be willing to take on KP for cap space without them. And leaving out what we could also obtain by trading other players skews the argument, so I'm not going there.Ya, that is the trap I was not willing to spring. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - Scott41theMavs - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 09:56 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Don´t think his post mentioned both names. Overall I don´t think any move the Mavs could potentially make this offseason will be enough to turn them into legit contenders (healthy Lakers, Bucks, Nets, Clippers, Suns, Jazz). Unless Luka takes another step and really reaches prime MJ/LBJ level. One summer isn´t enough to fix the mistakes of the past three offseasons. Already pity the next GM if that is what Cuban expects him to do. I'm not saying anything about "any one move." I suggested four. To say that an offseason like that couldn't make the Mavs a contender underestimates Luka, tbqh. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - Scott41theMavs - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 10:07 AM)fifteenth Wrote: All you good folks keep throwing out this "10 years" thing. "The results have been subpar for 10 years." Seems like that was a major component of the Cato article. But I have a little push back on that. Lumping the past 10 years into one block is a bit sloppy. Post championship was abysmal. Plan powder was an abomination of the highest order. Since Luka the team has been on an upward trajectory. It's not obvious to me that the past three years have been subpar. The team and Luka seem to be progressing along a learning curve. It bears noting how badly the last two offseasons were botched - Hindenberg disasters, tbqh - and the team still had an upward trajectory. Had they gotten '19 right, they likely wouldn't have had to do many moves in '20, given what we've seen in spite of the bad offseasons, to have made this team a contender in these very playoffs. That should make a potential GM salivate - as long as Cuban is willing to butt out. If I'm Ujiri or a similarly huge name that's not even on our radar, that's my condition beyond any financial consideration. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - Mak - 06-17-2021 Why is everyone in love with Masai Ujiri? RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - Scott41theMavs - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 10:20 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Internal development lead to more success. Players like THJ, Maxi, DFS, Brunson and obviously most important Luka getting better. Can certainly question the role of the front office in the post Luka draft era. Only two guys that were added after the Knicks trade made the playoff rotation. One lost his starting spot in the regular season and probably won´t be back. The other is a 3rd string big turned desperation starter. ...and still improving on the basis of how good our franchise guy is. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - Kammrath - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 01:01 PM)Mak Wrote: Why is everyone in love with Masai Ujiri? Welcome back! RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - Scott41theMavs - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 01:01 PM)Mak Wrote: Why is everyone in love with Masai Ujiri? Welcome back, Mak!! Glad to see you here. Ujiri built the Raps championship team. He's the poop. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - omahen - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 12:04 PM)mvossman Wrote: I am curious what this creativity would be? I'm not sure we have the assets to dump Powell and I would not be interested in "dumping" Maxi just to sign THJ. I would rather keep Maxi and Sign McDermott. Maybe we could dump Burke (what a terrible contract that turned out to be). It is maximum first round pick to dump Powell. Perhaps two second rounders. It is only 22 mil left. Philly dumped 80 mi of Horford for expiring Green, one FRP and one second rounder. Burke contract is not that bad as it is just a little bigger than vet min. He is a useful end of bench guy you can put in for some instant scoring here and there. He did have a couple of great moments this season. (06-17-2021, 01:01 PM)Mak Wrote: Why is everyone in love with Masai Ujiri? I think he is extremely respected name that would make Mavs look serious. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - Mak - 06-17-2021 I’m not anti-Masai, he’s made some solid moves and I’m sure Dallas could do much worse than signing him, I just feel like 1 relatively no-brainer trade for Kawahi might be leading too many folks to see him as some sort of clear-cut savior. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - SleepingHero - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 01:01 PM)Mak Wrote: Why is everyone in love with Masai Ujiri?https://vlp.to/FWCVD0GS He's a really good GM RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - SleepingHero - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 01:24 PM)Mak Wrote: I’m not anti-Masai, he’s made some solid moves and I’m sure Dallas could do much worse than signing him, I just feel like 1 relatively no-brainer trade for Kawahi might be leading too many folks to see him as some sort of clear-cut savior. Don't forget his work in Denver too. Trades:
Draft History with the Nuggets: 2011: Kenneth Faried 2012: Evan Fournier He then went to Toronto in 2013. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - fifteenth - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 01:24 PM)Mak Wrote: I’m not anti-Masai, he’s made some solid moves and I’m sure Dallas could do much worse than signing him, I just feel like 1 relatively no-brainer trade for Kawahi might be leading too many folks to see him as some sort of clear-cut savior. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - omahen - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 12:55 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I'm not saying anything about "any one move." I suggested four. I challenged you because you suggested a scenario which consists of 4 four difficult moves and you make it sound as it is something totally easy. Sure it is great if a FO is able to pull a scenario like that, but it would be a trully fantastic offseason. I tend to have lower expectations. So I would like to discuss what is a back up plan if one of those moves fails (for example no Collins). Because if it does, your plan looks way different end the end result questionable. That is also why I asked Itsgotime what is his backup plan if THJ rejects the 13 mil and walks. I don't understand why this is seen as a trap question. I doubt it is easy to dump KP for nothing once others know you need the cap space. I am quite certain others would know and you would pay for it. So - are you willing to pay the price if your assumption of dumping KP for nothing is wrong? Or does this change your plan? Then you have to convince 2 good FA, but I guess this one is not that difficult, if you are not that picky and willing to overpay. Last move you suggested was SnT of Kleber and JRich for Collins, which I have a really hard time seeing why Atlanta would do it. If it is only Kleber and FRP, than I get it. But JRich? So what do you do if Atlanta rejects? RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - HoosierDaddyKid - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 10:07 AM)fifteenth Wrote: All you good folks keep throwing out this "10 years" thing. "The results have been subpar for 10 years." Seems like that was a major component of the Cato article. But I have a little push back on that. Lumping the past 10 years into one block is a bit sloppy. Post championship was abysmal. Plan powder was an abomination of the highest order. Since Luka the team has been on an upward trajectory. It's not obvious to me that the past three years have been subpar. The team and Luka seem to be progressing along a learning curve. This right here, Bravo RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - cow - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 01:35 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: This right here, Bravo Disagree. Those years leading up to Doncic left our cupboards pretty bare. Gambling on KP made you exhaust a lot of future assets and if that doesn't work out, and it hasn't so far, it will make maneuvering really difficult until the KP debt is paid and his contract is off the books. It's hard to fault the MBT from going after KP as a fan, but I think a smarter run organization would have passed on that trade given the cost, shape of the roster outside of Doncic and knowing KP's medicals and that you'd have to give him a max contract. We'd have been better off being bad around Doncic for a few years, drafting well and then going after the cherry on top piece (CP3, Conley, Holiday, etc.). We took a shortcut and it has only put us father behind. And even if you throw out the KP gamble, we haven't operated well since we drafted Luka/Jalen. Seth was probably our best move and we threw that great contract away for a 1 year rental and Tyler Bey. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - dirkfansince1998 - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 01:24 PM)Mak Wrote: I’m not anti-Masai, he’s made some solid moves and I’m sure Dallas could do much worse than signing him, I just feel like 1 relatively no-brainer trade for Kawahi might be leading too many folks to see him as some sort of clear-cut savior. For me it is mostly about his track record when it comes to young players, late picks and undrafted guys. Jalen Harris -59th pick Fred VanVleet - undrafted Norman Powell - 46th pick OG Anunoby - 23th pick Pascal Siakam - 27th pick Delon Wright -20th pick Jacob Poeltl -9th pick Would be a solid playoff team in the ECF. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - KillerLeft - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 09:25 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: Yep. Technically the Hawks "overpaid" for Gallo. They "overpaid" for Bodgon. They "overpaid" for Rondo (and then flipped him for another asset). They'll probably "overpay" for Collins when they give him a max. And ultimately who cares? The goal is to win basketball games by having more points than your opponent when the final buzzer sounds, not to have the most efficient production/salary ratio for 15 guys on the roster. Tell it to the guy whose money this is, the guy who hasn't paid the tax in a decade. You don't have to convince anyone here. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - HanspardsShowerVoice - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 01:45 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: For me it is mostly about his track record when it comes to young players, late picks and undrafted guys. Also, maybe it's all just empty name recognition, but enpty name recognition means a lot when so much of free agent acquisition comes down to salesmanship. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL in search for new GM/president - Chicagojk - 06-17-2021 (06-17-2021, 01:45 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: For me it is mostly about his track record when it comes to young players, late picks and undrafted guys. His second round point guard looks like a future player too. Boucher is also an interesting name. Didn't he even get a first round pick for Barnani? Not sure if he was the guy who traded for Lowry. https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/6-defining-masai-ujiri-moves-brought-raptors-finals/ (06-17-2021, 01:59 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: His second round point guard looks like a future player too. Boucher is also an interesting name. Didn't he even get a first round pick for Barnani? I doubt Masai winds up here. I assume he wants to stay in Toronto and if they have lottery luck in a week, he will probably very likely stay. Although if there is any chance he would leave, he is my first call. |